Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

[Chariot of Fire]

Elmo9199
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Elmo. Look out the window. Are you sure about your location?

[Bruceswar]

Elmo9199
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Elmo. Look out the window. Are you sure about your location?

Sorry this is just funny...


Staying on topic from what I can gather is leolou2 started sitting at some point to help out.

P.S. Nobody would have likely noticed any of this had jobiwan not been missing so many turns. That was the first red flag. Aside from that jobiwan is a pretty poor player from what I have seen from him. So being a cook is nothing new to him.

[eddie2]

ow yes to add to blitzs statement

Now for the 5 public games you share about eddie, that is also untrue, you do not know any of the facts and all you are saying is fabricated lies and twisting things around that is far from the truth. Those 5 games you may speak of eddie were created in public about 10 to 14 days before the C&A issue existed, when the C&A issue was posted in the forums, those last few public games got filled by the public within 48 hours or so.

this is not lies or twisted comments blitz i wish i had taken a screen shot on the day in ? but let me run you through how jobiwans games were blocked. ON the 31st march you will see this post by myself.

hum is this another twist.

that day i was looking at jobiwans games and low and behold someone was creating more quad games and signing him up to them. the only player present was yourself so you can only say you were the only player able to invite him

lets use this speed game as a timeline Game 8797380

these were the games i seen jobiwan in.
Game 8800374
Game 8800376

with this game to end the time period Game 8800954

not only did i see this but i contacted a c and a mod and informed him of these games he looked then contacted king a to see if he was availible at this point they blocked jobiwans account. so your statement that you did not create or join him up to any more games after the 30th of the month will not hold because these games were created and joined on the 31st

I do believe around late march-early april jobi was automatically kicked out of any public games that were awaiting and random players joined my games unknown to me until they started, and I was thinking how did I get stuck with these partners?

[MegasWoman]

Of all of the posts in/around/about this thing-I think Chariots sums it up the best. Well done!

Mods...there was already some errors made with this situation-don't make another one by continuing to let Blitz get baited and flamed-if it were anyone else this thread would have been locked. Enough already.

Elmo. Read. Geez.

[trapyoung]

Attica! Attica! Attica!

[eddie2]

Hey all you boys out there fine if you have a beef with Blitz but stay out of our game chat , this rude and annoying so quit being assholes please. Thank you and enjoy you weekend

are you on about this game for your info it was a clan training game that one of my clan members contacted me about with a big smile. my chat was not a flame nor a bait also was within the rules.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=8803365

[greenoaks]

Hey all you boys out there fine if you have a beef with Blitz but stay out of our game chat , this rude and annoying so quit being assholes please. Thank you and enjoy you weekend

are you on about this game for your info it was a clan training game that one of my clan members contacted me about with a big smile. my chat was not a flame nor a bait also was within the rules.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=8803365

your comment in that game seems reasonable

[sunshining]

yes was a good comment nothing bad

[Bruceswar]

there are other games also... best to keep the talk in this thread not in games..

[Mr Changsha]

There is so much to read on this (both in GD and here) and the more one reads the worse it gets for Blitz. It is now apparent that the original warning was simply not an acceptable punishment, which leaves...

Point-reset

OR

Site-ban.

I am still of the view that the only way around a Team CC 'Serious Infraction' punishment for Blitz is if THOTA remove him from the leadership of their clan. Surely they can see that the longer this controversy goes on the worse it is going to get for him? Sometimes you've got to cut your losses...Blitz is not going to get away with this...they would be better to inflict their own punishment on him and possibly take the heat out of the situation. Actually, they should have done it a few days ago...it may be too late now. Once Andy re-opened this he was obviously in deep shit.

[Johnny Rockets]

I'm slightly surprised, but very pleased that Andy did.

This needs to be exposed, and dealt with, and closure obtained.
It's not a witch hunt, or a mob of haters clamoring for blood, or petty Jealousy or even schadenfreude.

It's business.

To maintain membership renewals, and encourage new ones, the site needs to display and uphold it's integrity.

Letting the "Greatest player/conqueror" get off with a wrist slap and a sweep under the rug makes all of the mods, admin, the site, and Lack look like a bunch of carnies fleecing the rubes.

No one wants to pay for a system that shows favoritism, upholds double standards, or is corrupt.

I don't care what Blitz contributed to C.C.

It means nothing now.
You cheated. You lied.
All of your accomplishments have been diminished.
You will no longer be held in a position of trust in any members mind.
You are dirty. Your rank will always have an "*" beside it.
Your point total will furthermore be subject to the inflation of your dishonesty.
Your clan will be cheapened by your presence, it's reputation tarnished by your inclusion.

Quit.


Johnny Rockets

[jackal31]

It means nothing now.
You cheated. You lied.
All of your accomplishments have been diminished.
You will no longer be held in a position of trust in any members mind.
You are dirty. Your rank will always have an "*" beside it.
Your point total will furthermore be subject to the inflation of your dishonesty.
Your clan will be cheapened by your presence, it's reputation tarnished by your inclusion.

Quit.


Johnny Rockets

This is extremely presumptuous considering he was already looked at once. If the ruling is upheld, are you going to feel the same way?
Remember, this being looked at again is getting its justice. Blitz has stated his case, many are "aiding" in the investigation, but nothing has been discussed from the people it matters most. So to say these things only promotes the same idea that you are insisting doesnt exist, and thats smearing a good persons name (at this point).

Doesnt anyone believe in the term innocent until proven guilty anymore? Let the judge decide the case. I understand there is a lot of evidence, but the jury is still out on this one.

[eddie2]

It means nothing now.
You cheated. You lied.
All of your accomplishments have been diminished.
You will no longer be held in a position of trust in any members mind.
You are dirty. Your rank will always have an "*" beside it.
Your point total will furthermore be subject to the inflation of your dishonesty.
Your clan will be cheapened by your presence, it's reputation tarnished by your inclusion.

Quit.


Johnny Rockets

This is extremely presumptuous considering he was already looked at once. If the ruling is upheld, are you going to feel the same way?
Remember, this being looked at again is getting its justice. Blitz has stated his case, many are "aiding" in the investigation, but nothing has been discussed from the people it matters most. So to say these things only promotes the same idea that you are insisting doesnt exist, and thats smearing a good persons name (at this point).

Doesnt anyone believe in the term innocent until proven guilty anymore? Let the judge decide the case. I understand there is a lot of evidence, but the jury is still out on this one.

blitz was already found guilty on one part so innocent until found guilty does not count this case was reopened because the punishment did not suit the crime.

but i do agree this has nothing to do with what happens within your clan. if you keep him you keep him if you feel his actions are bad you lose him but in a whole this case has nothing to do with what clan you are in.

[Blitzaholic]

Blitz,

NO games were created since the C&A post

Well this is probably hardly surprising is it? There is however the small matter of you creating games after you became aware of Jobiwan's incapacity to log into CC. Take Game 8771783 for example. This game was created on the morning of 27th March. We can ascertain this because Game 8771781 happens to be a speed game created that morning. So you made the game, invited the absent Jobiwan, logged into Jobiwan's account and proceeded to join the game. I would contend that this is most certainly an example of 'Hijacking Accounts' and is a serious contravention of CC rules. Just to refresh your memory, this is the text from your own conversation with leolou2 proving the date on which you were aware Jobiwan was missing:

2011-03-25 22:28:16 - leolou2 [team]: Oh where oh where are you at Jobi
2011-03-25 22:29:21 - leolou2 [team]: You should let Blitz have your PW thur a PM
2011-03-26 15:55:29 - Blitzaholic [team]: did jobi miss another turn? geeez
2011-03-26 16:01:36 - Blitzaholic [team]: all on Black Sheep Squadron (landing point) and NO attacks
2011-03-28 10:00:07 - Jobiwan: blitz for jobi

This is not true CoF, it was only ONE game, not games plural, one game was made on 3-27-11, that is it. I did not lie, I said NO games were created since the C&A post, which was: by eddie2 on Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:06 pm. I did notice between March 25th thru the 29th, he was missing some turns in his games, I did take some of his turns when I noticed them and then went to work. Remember, his game play as we seen was sporadic, I didn't know that it was at those times, I didn't know he was missing a lot of games, hence I made only ONE game and PM'd him, you on jobi, is all ok, I was waiting for a respone, I got none, when I never heard from him on the 27th and 28th of March, I got worried, because he always responds within 24 hours or less, this is when I made no more games, then went and took his turns on the 28th and 29th, and posted them in game chat, until eddie freaked out, then Leo took them from the 29th, 30, 31st and all thru April. I have not been on his account in over 2 weeks, and the reason I don't remember his password, is because his password is not an easy one to remember. I told king achilles if he wants to me to take some of his turns, I can pm leo and ask him for it and help, I got no response to this. I assume leo has always been taking them and all is ok. So, there was no need to.

Chariot of Fire If I knew what you said to be true and you really thought I was hijacking his account, then WHY would I only make ONE game? Why not me abuse it and create 10, 20, 30, 40 games or more during that timeframe? See, you own post makes no sense and is illogical, think about it. Do not allow your personal bias to tint facts, so many are guilty of this!

Has leo not been taking his turns in late March

Er no, it would appear you have if the above game chat is anything to go by. I'm sure you can start to understand why there are some who doubt the veracity of your words.

ummm, nope, cause leo was taking his turns in late March, 29, 30, 31st. As far as I know, those last couple days are considered late March.

It's not that CC can throw a rule at you saying you were obliged to take his turns - it's that you sat back and let it happen. Can't you see how incredibly damning it looks? To have Jobiwan's turns taken in your games and let the others slide is intentional points dumping on the part of the player whose account you control. This is in breach of the Unwritten Rule 'deliberately benefiting from thrown games' and also displays vicarious liability on your part for intentional deadbeating.

again cof, you are of your flawed opinion, but, you are wrong. I had no idea he was missing that many turns, and as you can see from the above posts and games he won below, he was sporadic in his play, even andydrufense said so, it was frustrating, he would be active, then not acitve, on and off like a light switch, the times I happen to check in early to middle March, like I said he was relatively caught up and he was winning some games, it was not until the end of March, that I noticed he was missing some.

I was not convinced he was away, he was active as far as I knew, but looking back, it looks as if he was sporadic acitve. I knew he was not on as he did not reply to my pm and it was 3-28-11 or 3-29-11, and he always repleis to them within 24 hours or so, so, at this time I was concerned, never did I think he was an absentee, however, to err on the side of caution, no more games were ever made, the few times I did post I took some turns in came chat, eddie was complaining, so leo took all his turns and had his password, i never took another turn now care to remember his pw.

In fact, I pm'd leo around March 30th or 31st or so and told him not to join any tournament games for jobi, wait and see if he comes on and let him (jobi) join them as you can see, I thought he still would come on and play, in early April, leo was posting ? marks meaning jobi was still away and he was still taking his turns as evidenced in the above post where jobiwan won 70 points in a game on april 1st, however, this was leo taking his turns as far as I know, I then knew for sure that something was seriously wrong and where the heck was jobi? And then and only then did I think something may be up, I never once thought he was a total absentee, except when I heard on March 29th or 30th that a loved one of his family passed away, even then, I thought, maybe he would come back in a couple days, I never knew he was going to leave the CC site, I mean, give me a break.

It was around this time I heard he had a death in the family. Again, I had no idea, yes, it does look bad, it is embarassing, I shared all this, have you all not been reading what I post? All that I share is honest and sometimes the events look jaded, that the TRUTH gets often dismissed or overlooked. However, I ask you, if read my posts carefully, they all make sense and tell the story, why? because it is the TRUTH.

Do you not think it prudent to maybe invite someone else as opposed to logging in to an absentee's account and joining games on his behalf? Breach of unwritten rule 'hijacking accounts'.

CoF this has already been dealt with, this is why I got the warning. I had NO idea he was ever an absentee until Maybe early April, I knew he was gone for a few days prior to that because he never pm'd me back, this is when i got a little worried. I told you and all, I did not realize that was a big NO NO on CC about joining a few games and i owned up to this, I knew it may be frowned upon, but, I did not really think that was a big deal, the evidence of this is what I posted later on and what Kraphtone did to me, he hijacked his clan members passwords and joined 10 of my public games and did this without their permission and I reported it to the multihunters and nothing happened, they let it go. So, how am I suppose to know?
Jobi won about 700 points in tourney games between March 12th to April 1st.

I just pm'd him again to ask if all is ok, I have heard nothing yet. So, what should I do? Reach out to him again? Do I continue to take some of his turns if I can? Do I let him miss his turns? If he is mourning and feels ok some days, does he take them, and if not, he doesn't?, Do I try to ask him if someone else can take his turns? I am trying to do the right thing here, so asking for help on what to do in this situation? What would you do if this was you in matter?

I tell you what I'd do, along with probably 99.9% of all other users on this site. I'd do the right bloody thing from Day 1. Are you really so naive as to not:
- cease entering him in any more of your games
- decline invites to games he cannot play
- drop him from his games waiting
- cover all his active games to the best of your ability
- get help from leolou if he's a co-sitter
- advise all the TOs of Jobiwan's absence and that he'll be unable to join for the time being
- make some public statement to that effect so you yourself are covered

None of these things were done. None whatsoever.

Again you are posting LIES chariot of fire and have no clue what you are saying, you are misleading. You say none were, but, ALL were. The post you quoted me on was on March 29th or so, his games were ceased, no more were created, NO more games were invited, the few remaining games he had in public were dropped, I got stuck with a few random players. I did cover some of his games when I could, I had many long working days last few weeks, I did get help and leo has been taking his turns, I never advised the TO's, but, I never joined his tourney games. I had thought about making a public statement or at least pm'ing the mods, but, eddie posted it publicly before I could. I also told leo not to join any games he may be invited in, let's see if jobi returns and if he does, let him join them. I was helping leo and jobi, not abusing them.

I've had a few days to mull over what has been said and done and was starting to question whether I had been over-zealous or heavy-handed in my remarks. We have a long playing history of some very memorable (and always challenging) games and, although I've poked fun at your farming antics and boastful posts, I like to believe we held a mutual respect for each other's playing ability. It therefore saddens - and angers more than anything - me when the very player who is atop them all and should be the custodian of all that's fair and good and worth aspiring to turns out to be little more than a talented player who would sell a friend down the river just for a few measly points. That is why I can't forgive and why I don't believe you are worthy of wearing that crown.

That is just it Chariot of Fire, I always have been positive for cc and strive to be a custodian of all that's fair and good and worth aspiring to. I would never sell anyone down a river, and never for a few measly points as you shared, it makes no sense. It was all just unfortunate couple with unawareness.

As far as the forgiveness part, that is your bag, not mine. All I know is when you joined this cc site chariot of fire, you had a racist and abusive name that offened many and many gave you a lot of crap for this, so bad, you had to end of changing your name to chariot of fire for offending so many people. You blamed it on you didn't know and then later, you were drunk, again, it don't matter. I think as time went on, many forgave you. I never judged you once.

I went through Game Finder, selecting only tournament games, going to the last page and working backward to March 08. I stopped at March 08 because most people seem to agree that the abuse didn't start until March 06, and most tournaments allow you 48 hours to join. Therefore, I disregarded quite a few games that were initialized on March 07.

There are 88 Jobiwan tournament games initialized between March 08 and April 01. Of these, he deadbeated 58, was defeated in the ordinary fashion in 24 of them, won 4 of them outright, and amazingly, remains alive in 2 more.

The first of his deadbeat eliminations are as early as March 11th, but games continued to be joined until April 01. That means for THREE WEEKS, his sitter or sitters knew that he was not taking turns, watched his scores plummeting, and yet continued to join more tournament games.

Regardless of whether the rules technically allow a sitter to join tournament games or not, to continue joining them after seeing overwhelming evidence that someone is not going to play and is having his score utterly obliterated has to qualify as some kind of account abuse at the very least.

This is not TRUE either, I just found 9 or 10 tournmanet games he won between early March thru April 1st. Here are the game numbers below. Note: he won over 700 points in just those tourney games I found, there may be more, not sure how you came up with only 4 dukasuar. So, there was no point dump. if that were true, why go thru all the trouble the trouble to win 10 games for 700 points and lose 50 to 70 for 600 points and roughly break even between March 12 thru April 1st? Again, it make no sense!!!!!! As I looked back, he seemed to be off and on, never an absentee! Now, around March 25th or so I had some concern, then about March 30th to April 1st or 2nd I knew he was not on a couple days, but, I still thought he would come back on CC in a few days after grieving. here are some of the games he won in that timeframe.

Game 8687253
Game 8632438
Game 8578903
Game 8690800
Game 8684074
Game 8632438
Game 8577729
Game 8689146
Game 8755066


2011-03-03 00:46:48 - Jobiwan eliminated MrGlassB from the game
2011-03-03 00:46:48 - MrGlassB lost 48 points
2011-03-03 00:46:48 - Jobiwan gained 48 points
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - Jobiwan eliminated morleyjoe from the game
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - morleyjoe lost 57 points
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - Jobiwan gained 57 points
2011-03-04 00:23:47 - Jobiwan won the game


2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Iron Maid lost 82 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Krissan lost 74 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - evilkingjay lost 53 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - MrGlassB lost 70 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - ETROPAL lost 59 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Jobiwan gained 338 points

2011-03-16 00:26:38 - mickunited333 lost 47 points
2011-03-16 00:26:38 - Jobiwan gained 47 points

2011-03-18 16:32:00 - jricart lost 59 points
2011-03-18 16:32:00 - TOBIASAN lost 44 points
2011-03-18 16:32:00 - Jobiwan gained 103 points

2011-03-20 00:46:59 - chopsiu lost 47 points
2011-03-20 00:46:59 - Jobiwan gained 47 points

2011-03-21 01:59:04 - flexmaster33 lost 46 points
2011-03-21 01:59:04 - Jobiwan gained 46 points

2011-03-28 10:03:56 - china210 lost 34 points
2011-03-28 10:03:56 - Jobiwan gained 34 points

2011-04-01 17:04:49 - Jobiwan won the game
2011-04-01 17:04:49 - rishark1969 lost 70 points
2011-04-01 17:04:49 - Jobiwan gained 70 points

Elmo9199
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Elmo. Look out the window. Are you sure about your location?

Sorry this is just funny...


Staying on topic from what I can gather is leolou2 started sitting at some point to help out.

P.S. Nobody would have likely noticed any of this had jobiwan not been missing so many turns. That was the first red flag. Aside from that jobiwan is a pretty poor player from what I have seen from him. So being a cook is nothing new to him.

bruceswar you were found guilty not to long ago and blocked from playing in certain players games for throwing points, so you need not say anything and you were never treated unfairly or went thru any of the abuse I have been taken. And, I never did anything except join some games and I already got punished for it. For the last time, no one knew he was missing that many turns which is a red flag, which also shows I had no clue he was missing that many games, as why would I want to bring any of the attention on myself? Again, makes no sense. and yes, he has been a cook off and on many times throughout his cc career. This is nothing new, you are right about that. If they want to block me form playing with him ever if he ever comes back to CC, fine, I wouldn't like it, but, could understand it.

Let's pretend jobiwan never existed before the games in question...

why pretend? he exists, he is real and he was on at times. Kraphtone, you of all people should POST nothing, must I remind you of what you did to me? You purposely hickjacked your clanmates accounts and joined their games and did this without their permission and joined them in 10 of my public games!

review below


2010-05-17 04:48:27 - CAPK81: 10 games like this wow i didnt sign up for these games fess up who signed me up ?
2010-05-17 04:48:49 - CAPK81: i am trying to keep my games between 5-10
2010-05-17 04:49:57 - CAPK81: who ever signed me up take my turns i will not be making them and PLEASE DO NOT DO IT AGAIN
2010-05-17 04:50:48 - CAPK81: this is one of the reasons people dont want to give passwords out
2010-05-17 06:58:21 - Blitzaholic: huh? wow
2010-05-17 06:59:16 - Blitzaholic: It must of been kraphtOne since he joined 1st and in many games.


This is why I feel I am being treated unfairly, kraphtone does this, I reported this to the mods and hunters, and nothing was done about it, they let it go. I remember telling lord voldemort and king sam and maybe others, and after they reviewed it, they let it go, maybe they gave him a warning, I don't know. Also, his clanmates were angry, However, when I did this, and I had permision, and what happened with me was far less then what kraphtone did, I get thrown thru the ringer, get verbally abused, all sorts of judgemental accusations were made about me, some demeaning, mean spirited, some anger, I get reinvestigated twice now after I was already cleared. And for what??????????

Why? jealousy! I don't know?, why so many lies were spread which added confusion, deceit, false accusations, cheap shots all made towards me, some witchhunt was developeded to paint and smear a picture of fabrication to depict me in the worst light possible and all was far from the truth, yet, sadly more started believing these lies where a 2nd time through I need to be investigated.

During this timeframe, some of you broke and violated CC rules of baiting me, flaming me and nothing happens, your posts and thread in the GD forum and others continued for over a week with some strong bashing of me and all let this happen, and it went on day after day after day for over a week. This is why I apologized and said it is embarrassing. The apology was for my admitting some games I joined for him, the embarrassing is all the lies posted and creating so much perplexity, that my name gets smeared for weeks, even after the multihunters cleared me, many of you still wanted my head so much, you have them do it again. I all told you the truth the 1st time best I recollect, then again with this post.

So, ALL of you please do us all a favor, stop this madness and let the mulithunters and mods do their job, do not add work to their schedules + workload and spread and post things that are not fact. Let them resolve this.

You all should assume innocence, but many did the exact opposite even though it does NOT make any sense and I never gave any indication in ALL my years on CC to make anyone think otherwise. Yet, many of you and you all know who you are: BEHAVED according to YOUR opinions of the FACTS and NOT the facts, this is very unhealthy (individually and for a community), however, I forgive you all because some of you may not of known what you did, and just got caught up in the hype of a drama buzz, and all at my own personal expense which has been unfair and unjust up to this point as far as the way I have been treated behaviorally.

respectfully, Blitz

[mgconstruction]

Doesnt anyone believe in the term innocent until proven guilty anymore? Let the judge decide the case. I understand there is a lot of evidence, but the jury is still out on this one.

Apparently only when one is defending ones self
After reading through all this it does look quite bad for Blitz but really this thread has become a Mob lynching in itself.
I believe Chariot made the most intelligent case while staying respectful to the judicial process. Other than Blitz replying to Chariots evidence, this thread probably could have stopped at that point until the Mods could make their ruling.



ADDED: Also a lot on this site loves to kick the top dog in the nuts when they are down. Not saying this is true in this case or that the accused is innocent or guilty. Just saying in the past I have seen a lot of the same people jump on these things like a bitch in heat to make themselves feel better.

[eddie2]

blitz you keep on saying i threw a wobbler. let me tell you this case started as a point dump against jobiwan and i contacted a member of the c and a mods (low and behold it now seems this mod was a thota member.) he then responded to me that he was busy so could i make a c and a report. I did not want to do this and was going to leave it in the hands of him. At this point i brought it up in live chat and it was brought to my attention that you were sitting his account. i then asked who wanted to start the report because i did not want to. i looked through his games and seen suspect games back till he 10th of march through his game play. nobody was willing to report you because you were conquerer and did not want to take you on. The way i seen it and still do is jobiwans account has been majorly abused so i made the report. this is within my right as a paying member of the community. So please can you stop saying i threw a wobble as i did not with the games and info availible to me and others (that have now looked at this) this seriously does look like something was going on with jobiwans account if it wasnt then the mods will clear it. the ball is in there court on this.

This statement was made before i read all of your statement i will check the details of the rest at a later date.

[eye84free]

let me tell you this case started as a point dump against jobiwan and i contacted a member of the c and a mods (low and behold it now seems this mod was a thota member.) he then responded to me that he was busy so could i make a c and a report. I did not want to do this and was going to leave it in the hands of him.

Ok since YOU want to try and say im not doing my job cause im a thota member. That had nothing to do with it. I was busy due to being a new father and this is why I told you to report it via a C@A report.I did infact tell you I was busy at the time,and I did infact tell you to make a report. And this was your reply to that.

Sent: March 28th, 2011, 1:51 pm
From: eddie2
To: eye84free

dont worry i will make a report as it looks like blitz is abusing his account.

Yes I keep my Mod mail. So why would you leave it to me when you knowing I was busy and unable to look into it at the time and then you tell me you will make a report on it?

Here is my thought on it. All need to just sit back and let the powers that be do there job, cool you heels. Trust me whatever needs to be done will be done in a fair way. And make sure when anyone speaks of facts they speak the truth and not half truths and all will be well.

[eddie2]

eye i did not say that i was saying to blitz that i did not start this as a personal vendeta against him i followed what i was advised by a c and a member. plz can you also post my first contact to you to prove i was looking into a point dumping case via jobi also the pm. you know that you and one other c and a mod are the most repescted by me.

[Bones2484]

It means nothing now.
You cheated. You lied.
All of your accomplishments have been diminished.
You will no longer be held in a position of trust in any members mind.
You are dirty. Your rank will always have an "*" beside it.
Your point total will furthermore be subject to the inflation of your dishonesty.
Your clan will be cheapened by your presence, it's reputation tarnished by your inclusion.

Quit.


Johnny Rockets

This is extremely presumptuous considering he was already looked at once. If the ruling is upheld, are you going to feel the same way?

Even if the ruling is upheld, he was already found guilty and warned. So to answer your question, yes. I've seen JR24 and Blitz put asterisks next to people's names in their threads for much less (including people who had their cases cleared/noted by the mods).

[jackal31]

It means nothing now.
You cheated. You lied.
All of your accomplishments have been diminished.
You will no longer be held in a position of trust in any members mind.
You are dirty. Your rank will always have an "*" beside it.
Your point total will furthermore be subject to the inflation of your dishonesty.
Your clan will be cheapened by your presence, it's reputation tarnished by your inclusion.

Quit.


Johnny Rockets

This is extremely presumptuous considering he was already looked at once. If the ruling is upheld, are you going to feel the same way?

Even if the ruling is upheld, he was already found guilty and warned. So to answer your question, yes. I've seen JR24 and Blitz put asterisks next to people's names in his threads for much less (including people who had their cases cleared/noted by the mods).

I think what I am trying to say is, he hasnt been found guilty of all these things he is being accused of. Since he was given a warning for a "minor incident", this is something that doesnt tarnish ones name. So JR making that statement is completely out of line.

[Dako]

Blitz - why are you trying to accuse other people when they are talking respectful to you? Why dig up the past and say "remember, 4 years ago when you were new here I didn't joke at you". That just doesn't sound right. You are jumping to aggression and you are trying to switch arrows to other persons. Why so? Are you that uncomfortable about your position? Or are you trying to lessen the weight of your own actions by telling "look, they are bad too". Doesn't that just confirm that you see your actions as wrongdoings?

I also must note that winning 700 points meanwhile you loose 1500 in the process (overall, because you went +700 and -2200) feels like dumping points to many people. I do not know who sat for the turns of jobi and joined those games - it is up to mods to look up IPs and do their work, but I must say that it does look fishy.

[Funkyterrance]

It does seem like there is probably enough evidence to make a ruling now. From what I understand all of this hearsay stuff can all be looked up in logs, etc., to prove what actually happened. Personally I don't consider a warning "punishment". It's a warning, just that.
There are two possibilities:
1. He knowingly broke the rules.
2. He broke the rules unknowingly.

If it's the first option, he should probably get a harsher punishment than he did. If it's the second option I suppose his warning was a fair ruling. I guess it's up to the mods to decide which one it was.

[Dako]

We cannot assume that he knew or didn't knew the rules. And not knowing the rules doesn't free you from the responsibility. That's what my country's law says.

[Funkyterrance]

Hmm, if that's the case then I guess I don't understand the point of a warning if you should already know all the rules? The message then would be that it's O.K. to cheat until you get caught... once. You could go a long time cheating before you got caught. Is this the ultimate message? I am not being sarcastic I am sincerely asking the question.

[jefjef]

Hmm, if that's the case then I guess I don't understand the point of a warning if you should already know all the rules? The message then would be that it's O.K. to cheat until you get caught... once. You could go a long time cheating before you got caught. Is this the ultimate message? I am not being sarcastic I am sincerely asking the question.

Major/Severe Infractions follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of:
1st offense = Warning,
2nd offense = One Month Vacation,
3rd offense = Permanent Vacation.